looks kinda like apple´s safari browser

Woha! Looks like SOMEONE just ain't got talent when it comes to innovation. Hope Apple sues those bastards!!!

kinda.... ya don't say.....

Apple has sued those bastards several times...and lost.

Wow another lame copy of what Apple does. Why don't get some real talent at microsoft?

It's one thing to copy a feature, but FFS atleast make it look like your own instead of a pathetic copy.

And this is why you don't support Microsoft...

Wow, Apple should send Microsoft a bill for all the R&D that Apple performed on behalf of Microsoft. M$ should be able to afford a few billion here and there.

that looks excacly like ie 6 to me, so if anyone copied a browser, it's safari...unless you guys don't know how to move your tool bars around

get a life instead of making up critisizm that doesn't exist against ms

I hate M$ - they suck - theyre a bunch of copying punks!

RSS in a web browser? Are these guys on crack? It belongs in a newsreader or PIM client!

I'd like to see any RSS reader in a browser match up to Akregator embedded in Kontact.

RSS in a browser's a pretty good idea. You could just open up any xml feed straightaway.

While I use Firefox personally, I still think MS should be given a chance with IE7. Nevertheless, I'll wait till I get a chance to really try it out before deciding.

Shameless. FWIW, to 'me' up above, this is a copy of Safari's RSS aggregation, not of the entire browser. And no matter which side of *that* debate you're on, it only takes eyes to know that this is a straight up photocopy.

microshaft steals from others. i hope IE 7 fails miserably.

I work as an designer/engineer in the automotive business. We look all the time at our rivals and copy what they have...if they have something useable. So if MS copy one thing or two in the layout....who cares.

A similar blurry photo (from 2004!) of Safari RSS for comparison:

http://nikkeibp.jp/jp/report/shared/mti20040628-wwdc07.jpg

The resemblance really is uncanny.

> Apple has sued those bastards several times...
> and lost.

Which just shows how the guy with more money can buy the american "justice"…
IE 7 is a total Safari ripoff minus all what makes its GUI not only good but excellent. Kind of like when Hyundai tries to copy Mercedes. Suckers trying to catch up with excellency… although there are more people driving Hyundais than Mercedes I don't think there are Hyundai fanboys telling the world how superior their favourite car is :-)

For me the RSS experience must be the less intrusive as possible. It does not have to take the whole page to display RSS info. I use FF and discover the RSS extension that fit my need : InfoRSS (http://inforss.mozdev.org). It add a scrolling ticker in the status bar with all my feeds. I love it.

*** M$ ! Long life for FIREFOX !

Opera Rulezzz!!!

to suh far re; so, you are saying Microsoft should forsake rss aggregation because someone else is already doing it?rediculous
in addition, anyone that thinks safari hasn't taken ideas from other browsers including internet explorer has blinders on.
all you guys want to do is complain about Microsoft.

this browser looks entirely like IE 6, and anyone that thinks this is some kind of "rip off" is just trying to find something wrong with Microsoft

you are all retarded *** heads, there is no copy. M$ does suck. But Apple sucks more... Apple is the POS on the bottom of my shoe. Any teenager could make something as good as they could.

You talk about talent and innovation, but i highly doubt many, if any of you who complain of such things could do any better. Infact i would like to see you come up with a better solution to Windows Calculator.

I second Little ***'s point about RSS feeds. An apt analogy to RSS feeds displayed in browsers would be like using a nutcracker to brutally smash a nut, instead of the leverage of the device intended. In other words, RSS was supposed all keeping up to date with various post-based websites without openning the browser . . . thus aggregating your news into one easily checkable place (a feed reader). Obviously IE has to keep up with the competition, and Safari's works so why mess with it, but I think misusing the technology (both Apple and MS).

Seriously,
Get it straight. IE is a netscape ripoff. netscape may have been a ripoff of something else (mosiac?).

Safari is most definately a ripoff of IE and netscape.

Firefox, also a ripoff of netscape and IE.

That's computer life. OSX is a bsd/unix ripoff, but then you could argue that apple invented the gui. They invented the mouse, but then it took microsoft to make the mouse great. Remember the first intellimouse explorer. Comfortable, first laser mouse, all the buttons. It was amazing.

Linux is a unix rip-off.

Honda, Dodge, chevrolet, mazda, etc... all ripped off ford, but then can you credit ford for making cars? didn't he just mass produce them first?

Saying apple is origional is pure BS. They are no more origional than microsoft or any other computer company. They all have good ideas, rip off their competitors ideas, and respin. Get over this apparent apple vs the world complex, linux vs the world complex, microsoft vs the world. They are all doing the same thing.

Look at linux with KDE or Gnome, OS X, and Windows XP. Pretty much the same thing. All different, all the same, all ripoffs.

andrew, my sentiments exactly,i think these people arguing over nonsense like highschool children should get out of their bedrooms for a while and realise that this is business,plain and simple and getting mad over m$ is really stupid coz whether you like it or not they will do what makes business sense to them.everything is a ripoff,this damn website is,'mean shouldnt we be getting free coffee by now??ohh BTW the next mac os gives away free toys to all the macfans who *** about m$! yippy!

and another thing andrew ford also ripped off some other guy,and that other dude ended up suing them which he lost and died before even selling a single car of his:( poor fella

Well, to me they did copy Apple. But they did it so bad that they don't deserve any attention for that. Steve Jobs (Apple CEO) one time said Microsoft had no taste. Apparently nothing has changed.

RSS integration is a good idea - but I still won't be changing from DesktopSideBar!

Well, I haven't seen all the features, perhaps it hasa some interesting and new things, but the look and the organisation of RSS feeds just look like Safari RSS. Treat me of a troll if you want, but it's true.

The Safari rip-off is not so much in the feature (even if Microsoft implemented it in exactly the same way Apple did (no additionnal feature)) as it is in way they did it : same layout, same color, same columns and same options. Sadly the screenshot hint at less features (article length dynamically changed by a cursor)...

I don't mind MS copying Apple (good) ideas to some extend but they should do it less blatantly and use their creativity to try to improve them a little at last...

silverscreen, the rss in windows is FAR more elaborate then the rss feed in safari, it crosses the entire platform, not just the browser

as far as same layout, same color, I don't know what you're talking about, the layout is exacly like the layout of internet explorer for anyone that knows how to move around the tool bars

for those ms bashers that don't even use ms: Shut yo keyboards up.

it will be a big peace of garbage

hes not talking about the layout of the toolbar! look at the layout of the page used to display the rss feeds. they're identical.

I'm sorry "think", but that's just a common search layout, it's almost identicle to the google search layout, and it's an interphase at that.

this "rip off" dialogue is just microsoft bashing, that's it

Andrew, that's a great post, but for a few corrections, apple didn't invent the GUI, apple stole it from Xerox

as far as who invented the auto, it wasn't ford, he applied the assembly line to the product

some argue it was actually devinci that invented the auto, but as for the modern era auto, that would be Mr Benz

geez! will you people stop? everybody copies e.g. user switching, secondary logon, the taskbar, hell even minimizing windows, they have all been copied from someone else's R&D.

drop it, fanboys... this is how OSes get better, by copying stuff that 'just works'!!

Hahahah... MS sucks so hard! They can't do ANYTHING themselves... they just blatantly plagarize others. Bunch of hacks!

If MS just copies others material, show me a office suite that can even touch MS Office 2003 and the upcoming Office 12! As for the simularities of IE7 and the others... get over it, everybody copies each other, show me something one browser had above the other without it being copied by another varient.

apple guys act like bitter old women. ms absolutely destorys apple where it counts....in the bank account. they made the right biz moves, while apple hasn't. btw ms actually creates their own os, without taking open source because they can't build an infrastructure themselves and build and interface on top of it. They do a great job at making interfaces but no way are they even close to the software company that Microsoft is.

I have to give it to Apple for thier GUI interface, its very cute... but I think I would start to hate looking at all the bubbly interface after a short period of time. Functionality is much more important then the looks to me.

what an idiotic thing to say that microsoft are a bunch of copiers, get a life man! Microsoft invented the whole PC stuff, so make up your mind! idiot!

Poor silly people:(
When somebody is juvie, has very little idea what is he talking about and even don't know how to DISCUSS polite all that he's able to wirte is: "f****ck U f****ng as***les!". It'a a pity indeed.
I'm happy that I had long ago the chance to choose between M$ and Apple and to be sure why I'm using Mac since that time and proud that I know exactly WHY I am doing it.
Greets:P
Mac_Abra

Well MS is still on top at selling their products. And who was first at creating OS MS or Apple?

Peace

Apple didn't created GUI nor Mouse, those were great achievement of Xerox.

Does look good visually, all I really care is that they don't break current web sites display (pretty slim chance of that probably right?).

MS waits for others to innovate and then use those ideas to aim for market dominance. However IE has a lot to catch up on.

Taking a view from .NET forms which doesn't seem to work in Firefox in certain cases, I really hope MS stop taking a dump on their own .NET developers especially the businesses that choose .NET and then find more and more people using Firefox and cannot use the registration forms done in .NET ... non standards compliant = hidden costs, not for MS but for some of us.

You lame ass Mac chumps are so so sad

Redmond Start your photocopiers

I've been using web browser for a couple of decades now and I haven't seen any innovation in the last 10 years (in web browsers). You people are talking about GUI look and feel which is nothing innovative. Get a life, IE will always rule you

I just pooped my pants. Y'all're haters.

Im all about options, but keep in mind, Microsoft was the first company out there making OS's for PC's. There not #1 for a reason.

Also, IE7 looks nothing like Safari, it looks better than Safara in my opinion.

Keep in mind that everyone copies everyone. Its just making sure the features you use work for your product.

Wake up guys! If Microsoft customers want it, Microsoft will provide it, otherwise your customers start to look elsewhere. So if they 'appear' to be producing a copy of Apple's software...so what? I just hope the M$ programmers are wise enough to enhance it and test it properly before they release it, unlike XP!!

first of all, Microsoft copied Apple because Apple copied Xerox first. Apple played their cards right back then, but they didnt expect microsoft to go a-wall on them.
So today, Windows' same OS from a decade ago is running old and windows vista needs to improve this. But the problem is they have 0% innovation so they have to go and copy them all over again. SEE! is the cycle of life. It repeats. I saw the year 2015 and this is what happened. Apple releases Mac OS 11 code-named Warthog. a year later M$ releases Windows Longer-than-ever-horn which seems to copy the 3-D interface of Mac Os 11. Thats 2015 in a nutshell, excluding world war III and the decapitation of former president Bush.

I love all the wonderful ideas here. Most of the posts are worthless in this thread. That is what innovation is, taking ideas that may exsist already and make them better. Everyone steals *** from everyone else, such is life!

well well.. look at the people here.. I like Mac and Firefox as well... But some of you are just stupid in criticizing Microsoft..

wow you guys talking about copying and plaigarising are plain just being ignorant.

first off, hats off to andrew. great points. coming from a dev shop myself, and whoever else mentioned it... of course you're going to try to match your competition...it's just the way it is. is it copying it? well it depends by what you mean. they certainly don't have access to the competitor's code, so all they're "copying" is the feature. they have absolute freedom of how they implement it. if it's implemented the same as the competition, then that's probably what they deemed as making the most sense.

as far as the layout of the rss feed page..give me a break. how else are you going to display feeds on webpage, or even an aggregator...what you want the heading to be lined up on the side, spelled backwards, or maybe in pink colors, and then the accompanying body on the far right side... come on..the way they have it makes sense, regardless if it looks similar to other pages.

just irks me to see all this mindless bashing.

Opera & FireFox is best and look more nice than that IE !!! HI TO EVERYBODY

IE 7 will not fail, I use Safari but for RSS I use New Newswire. Yes it is similar, but MS would be stupid to not copy Apple in user interface ideas. IE 7 we hope will bring IE to a new level of standards compliance and accessibility as well as make the experience safer for users. Lets wait and see.

Apple won't sue, Microsoft have a finical interest in Apple. Apple sue, microsoft pull out. Microsoft pull out, apple go bust.

I'm not a fan of M$, but they've had designs like this LONG before IE 7. One example that springs to mind is their "search files or folders". It's practicly the exact same design.

You dorks are retarded. Go play with your purple Imac.

I have IE7beta at the moment like I am sure alot of you do, the screenshot from above is slightly different of course since it was an early version.
There is no point to this Mac-fan versus Win-fan stuff, you need to know about something to give proper feedback on anything anyway.
Apples are nice machines, the OS's tiger/panther were certainly very nice looking. I still personally prefer a windows 9x type interface.
RSS in a browser is a good idea but maybe they should bring out 2 versions for the people that don't use RSS features. Too many features just make programmes too large. Just look at how they are going with Windows Live Messenger for example. Ok it does look a bit more design like, I prefer the looks of the new AIM client though. Minimalise things don't bulk it up.
Plus for all of this M$ stole this idea from Mac thing, they have both been stealing each others ideas for years, leave this battle where it started, in the 80's!!
Many of the ideas have been stolen or borrowed from elsewhere anyway, mainly early versions of items that never come on the market or were on the market but worked better when implemented with something else.

I suggest if you want to comment or fight about something you learn about it first.